3 very barbecue beef sandwiches Recipes

boneless beef chuck roast (3 to 4 lb), ketchup, onion, finely chopped, brown sugar, red wine vinegar, dijon mustard, worcestershire sauce, garlic cloves, minced, salt, celery seed, paprika, pepper, cornstarch, cold water, kaiser rolls, split, dill pickle slices, optional

ground beef, breadcrumbs, chopped white onion, chopped very fine, evaporated milk (no substitute), garlic powder, eggs, salt and pepper, ketchup, hickory barbecue sauce (can sub regular bbq sauce with 3/4 tsp liquid smoke added), brown sugar, dried chipotle powder, garlic powder, toasted bun, cheddar cheese (optional)